Kerry vs. Bush : The grades

Jack Funk · Tue, 7th Jun '05, 5:06pm

It turns out that John Kerrys grades at Yale were very similar to George Bushes! Who would have thought?

Boston Globe: Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student

Aldeth the Foppish Idiot · Tue, 7th Jun '05, 5:27pm

Damn! Kerry sure was one ugly mofo as a college student!

ArtEChoke · Wed, 8th Jun '05, 2:01am

Wow Jack, that's incredible! I wonder how this amazing new discovery will affect the election come November!

Bion · Wed, 8th Jun '05, 2:45am

From the article you link to:

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It is noteworthy, however, that Kerry received a high honor at Yale despite his mediocre grades: He was chosen to deliver his senior class oration, a testament to his reputation as a public speaker. He delivered a speech questioning the wisdom of the Vietnam War, in which he would soon see combat.

Kerry gradually improved his grades, averaging 81 in his senior year. His highest single grade was an 89, for a political science class in his senior year. Despite his slow start, he went on to be a top student at Naval Candidate School, command a patrol boat in Vietnam, graduate from law school, and become a prosecutor, lieutenant governor, US senator, and presidential candidate.

In his Navy application, Kerry made clear that he spent much of his college time on extracurricular activities, including the Yale Political Union, the Debating Association, soccer, hockey, fencing, and membership in the elite Skull and Bones Society.

It goes on to mention a well-known historian who taught both Kerry and Bush, "vividly" remembering Kerry, and having no recollection of Bush.

I think the current conservative hyper-focus on Kerry's grades is a smokescreen to cover the fact that they found absolutely nothing in Kerry's released and unedited war records to corroborate any of the Swift Boat bull****.

Chandos the Red · Wed, 8th Jun '05, 2:58am

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''I always told my Dad that D stood for distinction," Kerry said yesterday

D also stands for Diploma.

Cúchulainn · Wed, 8th Jun '05, 10:47am

To be fair, its not how you start out, but what you become. They might have been on equal terms during college, but I am sure that Kerry was the one that progressed.

Aldeth was correct - to me he looks like an uglier version of Oscar Wilde.

Darkwolf · Wed, 8th Jun '05, 4:17pm

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They might have been on equal terms during college, but I am sure that Kerry was the one that progressed.

Lets see, Kerry is a Senator from the relatively small state of Massachusetts, and Bush has been Governor of a state that has an economy that eclipses most nations, and is a 2 term President. Seems to me that Bush has held 2 positions that far exceed Kerry's political achievements.

Who has progressed?

Cúchulainn · Wed, 8th Jun '05, 4:25pm

Good point Darkwolf, but Kerry is fluent in at least one other language (French), and I read that Bush mangles his Spanish (on purpose according to some sources).

Dispite not having a good plan for his presidential campaign, Kerry was more liked by most of the world.

I would have better said they progressed on different ways, or said nothing at all

The Great Snook · Wed, 8th Jun '05, 4:27pm

I admit, I was stunned to see the Globe publish that article. Normaly, they are so Pro-Kerry that the pretend he won the election.

Chandos the Red · Wed, 8th Jun '05, 4:38pm

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Lets see, Kerry is a Senator from the relatively small state of Massachusetts, and Bush has been Governor of a state that has an economy that eclipses most nations

Proof that money can buy almost anything.

Darkwolf · Wed, 8th Jun '05, 5:35pm

I think that Soros and Teresa Heinze Kerry, oops, sorry, I almost forgot that once the election was over she went back to being just Teresa Hinze, would disagree.

AMaster · Wed, 8th Jun '05, 7:28pm

I dunno, Darkwolf. If Bush II hadn't had not had
A) a rich father
B) a presidential father
C) name recognition

d'ya think he ever would've become president? Or even been nominated? Riding daddy's coat tails isn't all that impressive.

Bion · Wed, 8th Jun '05, 8:09pm

C'mon, GWB got where he is today because we live in a 'meritocracy.'

Daie d'Malkin · Sun, 12th Jun '05, 10:59pm

the word is 'catastrophe', not 'meritocracy'

Anyway, Napoleon instituted a meritocracy, and we all know how that ended up.

Is it just me, or did Bush look like a kinda unibrow wolfman creature?

Chandos the Red · Sun, 12th Jun '05, 11:08pm

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the word is 'catastrophe', not 'meritocracy'

LKD · Tue, 14th Jun '05, 12:35am

And if Kerry had won, it would have been because of the "genius" of the American people? Come on, both sides of the political equation POURED money into the campaign, and Bush won it fair and square, with a sizeable portion of the country behind him (but not an overwhelming one, I admit) but to say that Bush bought the election or rode Daddy's coattails is just sour grapes.

That said, facts are facts. Bush became President. Kerry never will. Say what you like, but in terms of political office,Bush "progressed" far further than Kerry ever will.

Chandos the Red · Tue, 14th Jun '05, 2:01am

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[Say what you like, but in terms of political office,Bush "progressed" far further than Kerry ever will.

Yes, but "political office" was not the point regarding "progression." I took it to mean in terms of which one was more esteemed intellectually.

Darkwolf · Tue, 14th Jun '05, 5:09am

Well, I guess, but when your choices are tweedle dee and tweedle dumb, I am not sure the word esteemed is appropriate, even if it is qualified with a "more" before it.

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Wed, 8th Jun '05, 4:25pm	#8
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Daie d'Malkin Shoulda gone to Specsavers Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chibi-land Posts: 2,635 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 5,723 Level: 23 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 48.73% Daily Activity 2.46% Weekly Activity 2.46% Monthly Activity 1.51% Achievements	the word is 'catastrophe', not 'meritocracy' Anyway, Napoleon instituted a meritocracy, and we all know how that ended up. Is it just me, or did Bush look like a kinda unibrow wolfman creature?

Tue, 14th Jun '05, 12:35am	#16
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Tue, 14th Jun '05, 5:09am	#18
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