The Official World Cup Thread (no.1) - Page 11

Colthrun · Wed, 14th Jun '06, 12:55pm

In all the World Cups that I remember, Spain has been a disappointing force. The main issue is that the team is full of very good individual players, but they can't play well together.

Anyway, go Spain!

Register · Wed, 14th Jun '06, 1:25pm

Spain is gonna suck, like always, and Schevshenko knows this is his only chance to show himself in a World Cup. 2-0 to Ukraine, with at least one, but probably both, goals scored by Andrej.

Barmy Army · Wed, 14th Jun '06, 3:03pm

If we don't destroy Trinidad and Tobago, the lads may as well not come home. I don't care what anyone says about TNT we should take them to the cleaners.

Apeman · Wed, 14th Jun '06, 3:23pm

I wonder if the Swedes thought the same.

Look at Spain scoring! Gotto be the worst goal so far though....

Barmy Army · Wed, 14th Jun '06, 3:34pm

I don't care what the Swedes thought, we're better than them too!

Let's be fair about it too, how Sweden didn't win that game about 3-0 is completely beyond me, but we won't make the same mistake.

Spain are playing a decent game. Villa's goal was a blinder. Plenty of good goals in this World Cup! I don't think they look good enough to challenge though. A bit rocky at the back. England seem to be the only team so far who's put defense first! We play like the Germans and the Italians used to these days. Well, I guess when you have terry, Ferdinand, Cole, Neville and Robinson, you can afford to sit back pretty comfortably. We'll get most of our goals from set pieces. Of the past 6 goals England have scored 5 of them have been from dead balls. Beckham is unbelievable with a dead ball.

Master of Nuhn · Wed, 14th Jun '06, 3:40pm

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Not always. At one point, Hungary were one of the best teams in the world.

Exactly, in the early 50s, the 'Magical Magyar' were unbeaten for 31 matches, 4 of which were draws. Quite impressive. And all by a sudden it vanished, due to political thingies, I've heard.

Colthrun · Wed, 14th Jun '06, 3:51pm

2-0

Spain is doing surprisingly well. Keep 'em coming boys.

teekc · Wed, 14th Jun '06, 4:05pm

even guessing the correct side can't prevent the goal, that's how strong spain is!

Register · Wed, 14th Jun '06, 4:07pm

And so, after the second goal, the game became extremely boring within seconds. I mean, Italy Denmark 2004 or Sweden Turkey 2000 class.

teekc · Wed, 14th Jun '06, 4:11pm

up by 3 goals, and they still sub in Raul!

Pac man · Wed, 14th Jun '06, 4:35pm

No need to teach me any footballhistory, i'm well aware of the team lead by ferenc Puskas that nearly won the worldcup, but is it really necessary to bring that up ? I mean it's more than 60 years ago for crying out loud, and they haven't managed to field a half decent team since. That's why i said that Hungary is a crap footballnation. I'm not interested in how good they were in the dark ages, it's about right here and right now, and right now they suck with a capital S, and they have been sucking for the past 50+ years.

Colthrun · Wed, 14th Jun '06, 4:41pm

Did you see that fourth goal? That was brilliant!

teekc · Wed, 14th Jun '06, 7:54pm

Saudi vs Tunisia, fight till the very end, that's what i watch for in football! (that's what Gerrard is about)

Harbourboy · Wed, 14th Jun '06, 8:38pm

So much for everyone who wrote off Spain, then.

Damned Saudi game. I had picked a draw, but then changed it to a Tunisia win because everyone everywhere was saying that the Saudis were hopeless. Last time I listen to anybody about anything.

EDIT: Ooh, last minute goal by Germany! I thought we might have been looking at an upset (and a possible England v Germany 2nd round clash!) but normal service has been resumed.

[ June 14, 2006, 22:53: Message edited by: Harbourboy ]

Merlanni · Wed, 14th Jun '06, 11:08pm

And again

Darkthrone · Wed, 14th Jun '06, 11:11pm

No that it was a bad match, mind you. Germany deserved far more goals. The outcome is just, isn't it.

Pac man · Wed, 14th Jun '06, 11:18pm

Germany deserved the win, but what i don't understand is why the Polish coach took out an attacker for a defender at a time where Poland still looked like they might win this one. So at a certain point he clearly decided to go for the 0-0 draw, which would have been absolutely useless for Poland, especially if Ecuador beats Costa Rica tomorrow.

From my point of view that makes the Polish coach an incredible incompetent dumbass of the highest order.

Barmy Army · Wed, 14th Jun '06, 11:22pm

That was a very good game played in a very good atmosphere. That just proves to dmc that a game can be 0-0 (for 91 mins...) and still be exciting. Really intense match from start to finish.

Typical German jammyness, but it's good for us.

Harbourboy · Wed, 14th Jun '06, 11:39pm

Yeah, as neutral observer, I was hanging out for something that would lead to an England v Germany 2nd round, but that looks unlikely now.

Fabius Maximus · Thu, 15th Jun '06, 10:32am

Who says that England will not finish second in it's group?

Enagonios · Thu, 15th Jun '06, 4:48pm

hehe I'm with Barmy on this one. If you Brits don't win against TNT, better just pack it up

I'm also actually pretty disappointed with the France - Switzerland draw :/

Aldeth the Foppish Idiot · Thu, 15th Jun '06, 6:31pm

I pretty surprised that Poland is going home. While they aren't a traditional powerhouse, and had they beat Germany it certainly would be considered an upset, I had expected them to beat both Ecuador and Costa Rica, finish 2-1-0, and advance. I can see some sense in playing for the tie, as sometimes 1-1-1 is enough to get you into the next round, whereas 1-2-0 certainly isn't getting you anything.

Earl Grey · Thu, 15th Jun '06, 7:12pm

Oh my! No score but Trinidad & Tobago could have been in the lead against England by halftime.

Harbourboy · Thu, 15th Jun '06, 7:54pm

Oh no, Crouch scores! What a shame. This was looking like the best soccer game ever, until England finally found their feet in the last 7 minutes.

I think England need to find some real strikers somewhere. That Crouch guy looked like he was drunk for most of the game.

Pac man · Thu, 15th Jun '06, 8:02pm

In England's defense...it's a real pain to play against teams that dig themselves in around their own penaltybox, we've had our share of similar teams in the qualifying rounds, and you're lucky if you manage to score an early goal, otherwise you should consider yourself lucky with a 1-0 or 2-0 win. There's no shame in that. It's easier to play against teams like France, just to name one, because they also try to win. T&T didn't come to win today, they came to keep England from winning. They almost pulled it off too, but i'm always glad when teams with such a type of play don't get rewarded.

Wed, 14th Jun '06, 1:25pm	#252
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Wed, 14th Jun '06, 3:03pm	#253
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Wed, 14th Jun '06, 3:51pm	#257
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Wed, 14th Jun '06, 4:07pm	#259
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Wed, 14th Jun '06, 4:41pm	#262
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Wed, 14th Jun '06, 12:55pm	#251
Colthrun Walk first in the forest and last in the bog Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Dublin, Ireland. Posts: 1,856 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 4,206 Level: 20 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 55.21% Daily Activity 2.43% Weekly Activity 2.43% Monthly Activity 2.04% Achievements	In all the World Cups that I remember, Spain has been a disappointing force. The main issue is that the team is full of very good individual players, but they can't play well together. Anyway, go Spain!

Wed, 14th Jun '06, 3:23pm	#254
Apeman Valar morghulis, valar dohaeris! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,153 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 5,181 Level: 22 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 49.82% Daily Activity 2.43% Weekly Activity 2.43% Monthly Activity 2.04% Achievements	I wonder if the Swedes thought the same. Look at Spain scoring! Gotto be the worst goal so far though....

Wed, 14th Jun '06, 3:34pm	#255
Barmy Army Simple mind, simple pleasures... Join Date: May 2003 Location: England Posts: 6,532 Like: 14 Liked 45 Times in 30 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 16,291 Level: 36 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 58.34% Daily Activity 2.43% Weekly Activity 92.58% Monthly Activity 81.11% Achievements	I don't care what the Swedes thought, we're better than them too! Let's be fair about it too, how Sweden didn't win that game about 3-0 is completely beyond me, but we won't make the same mistake. Spain are playing a decent game. Villa's goal was a blinder. Plenty of good goals in this World Cup! I don't think they look good enough to challenge though. A bit rocky at the back. England seem to be the only team so far who's put defense first! We play like the Germans and the Italians used to these days. Well, I guess when you have terry, Ferdinand, Cole, Neville and Robinson, you can afford to sit back pretty comfortably. We'll get most of our goals from set pieces. Of the past 6 goals England have scored 5 of them have been from dead balls. Beckham is unbelievable with a dead ball.

Wed, 14th Jun '06, 4:05pm	#258
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Wed, 14th Jun '06, 4:11pm	#260
teekc In search of Faye Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: my mother Posts: 1,509 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 4,005 Level: 20 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 12.28% Daily Activity 2.43% Weekly Activity 2.43% Monthly Activity 2.04% Achievements	up by 3 goals, and they still sub in Raul!

Wed, 14th Jun '06, 4:35pm	#261
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Wed, 14th Jun '06, 7:54pm	#263
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Wed, 14th Jun '06, 8:38pm	#264
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Wed, 14th Jun '06, 11:08pm	#265
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Wed, 14th Jun '06, 11:11pm	#266
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Wed, 14th Jun '06, 11:18pm	#267
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Wed, 14th Jun '06, 11:22pm	#268
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Wed, 14th Jun '06, 11:39pm	#269
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Thu, 15th Jun '06, 10:32am	#270
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Thu, 15th Jun '06, 4:48pm	#271
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Thu, 15th Jun '06, 6:31pm	#272
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Thu, 15th Jun '06, 7:12pm	#273
Earl Grey Mmm... hot tea! Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Lund, Sweden Posts: 1,930 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 4,862 Level: 21 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 89.29% Daily Activity 2.43% Weekly Activity 2.43% Monthly Activity 2.04% Achievements	Oh my! No score but Trinidad & Tobago could have been in the lead against England by halftime.

Thu, 15th Jun '06, 7:54pm	#274
Harbourboy SPS Account Holder Take thy form from off my door! Join Date: May 2003 Location: North Harbour Posts: 13,229 Like: 56 Liked 12 Times in 11 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 28,204 Level: 45 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 72.94% Daily Activity 2.43% Weekly Activity 64.84% Monthly Activity 25.52% Achievements Awards	Oh no, Crouch scores! What a shame. This was looking like the best soccer game ever, until England finally found their feet in the last 7 minutes. I think England need to find some real strikers somewhere. That Crouch guy looked like he was drunk for most of the game.

Thu, 15th Jun '06, 8:02pm	#275
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