Skeleton Warriors

Wed, 17th Oct '01, 1:33pm

Here's a weird thing... the enemy Skeleton Warriors you encounter hit as +1, but the summoned Skeleton Warriors hit as +3!

I discovered this playing a shapeshifter and sending a Fire Elemental up against them in the temple ruins... 2 Skeleton Warriors + 2 Greater Mummys - the Fire Elemental is immune to them all (it requires +2 or better to hit) and slowly toasted them all.

The whole Temple Ruins is pretty easy with a druid... Shadows, Shadow Fiends, Wraiths, Mummys, are all useless against the druid elemental summons. The only problem is the Bone Golems, those dudes are nasty\

Maertyn · Wed, 17th Oct '01, 6:02pm

And what makes you think that summoned skeletons hit as +3? They've got a +1 sword after all!

Big B · Wed, 17th Oct '01, 9:02pm

He may be right, IIRC Skeleton Warriors were able to hit the Balor in the Underdark, who does require +3 or better weapons I believe. And Mirkwood, going through places like Umar Hills, Temple Ruins, and Unseeying Eye all show the power of clerics and druids. But there power is not limited to just these areas. Ask Tiamat.

Thu, 18th Oct '01, 1:18am

The summoned SW's do have a +1 two-handed sword but it is enchanted +3.

Laksol · Thu, 18th Oct '01, 7:17am

Bone golems just suck, their hitting counts as normal!

Arwen · Fri, 19th Oct '01, 1:19am

Bone golems are no big deal if you havethat mace from the graveyard, can't remember the name (Mace of Disruption?) - just give it to one of your tanks(Anomen, in my party) - and in a moment you will see a pile of bones on the floor...

Fri, 19th Oct '01, 2:16am

Bone Golems suck!?! Bone Golems gave me the most trouble in the whole game, no matter what party I had. They are awesome melee fighters... -3AC, 3d8 +3, and a heap of immunities. Nasty looking too... the first time I went through the Temple Ruins they scared the **** out of me!

Laksol · Fri, 19th Oct '01, 11:37am

Ok, in my game, when nasty bone golem once spawned trys to bash my summoned skeleton warriors, the dialogue box just shows *weapon ineffective*...as the same with mummies and greater mummies.

icarusX · Mon, 22nd Oct '01, 5:42pm

In my game bone golems sucked huge, but Iron golems I can't beat. Actally of all the enemy's I've faced, including the dragons, Iron and other metal golems are the hardest. Obviously it's the weapons I am using. I think golems are weak to smashing or crushing?

RD

Xuncle · Thu, 25th Oct '01, 10:42am

Iron type golems are more difficult - but here's a trick: find a handy door that the golem is too big to fit through and get a mage to cast Lower Resistance on it. Then you can have you warrior swing, your cleric heal the tank and your mage cast spells on him.

Bone and Clay golems require blunt weapons to hit.

To the original thread tho...
The effective THAC0, AC etc of summoned skeletons depends on the level of the caster (it gets better quality and no chance of a second skeleton at 15th level). Check out the spell description for Animate Dead.

StressedE · Thu, 25th Oct '01, 11:37am

Last game played I went to the planar sphere real late. Those golems were so big in the engine room they were stuck. I used gesenbow and sling+5 to kill them no sweat.

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Wed, 17th Oct '01, 1:33pm	#1
Mirkwood Guest Posts: n/a vBActivity - Stats XP: 0 Level: 1 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 0% Daily Activity 0% Weekly Activity 0% Monthly Activity 0%	Here's a weird thing... the enemy Skeleton Warriors you encounter hit as +1, but the summoned Skeleton Warriors hit as +3! I discovered this playing a shapeshifter and sending a Fire Elemental up against them in the temple ruins... 2 Skeleton Warriors + 2 Greater Mummys - the Fire Elemental is immune to them all (it requires +2 or better to hit) and slowly toasted them all. The whole Temple Ruins is pretty easy with a druid... Shadows, Shadow Fiends, Wraiths, Mummys, are all useless against the druid elemental summons. The only problem is the Bone Golems, those dudes are nasty\

Wed, 17th Oct '01, 6:02pm	#2
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Wed, 17th Oct '01, 9:02pm	#3
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Thu, 18th Oct '01, 1:18am	#4
Mirkwood Guest Posts: n/a vBActivity - Stats XP: 0 Level: 1 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 0% Daily Activity 0% Weekly Activity 0% Monthly Activity 0%	The summoned SW's do have a +1 two-handed sword but it is enchanted +3.

Thu, 18th Oct '01, 7:17am	#5
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Fri, 19th Oct '01, 1:19am	#6
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Fri, 19th Oct '01, 2:16am	#7
Mirkwood Guest Posts: n/a vBActivity - Stats XP: 0 Level: 1 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 0% Daily Activity 0% Weekly Activity 0% Monthly Activity 0%	Bone Golems suck!?! Bone Golems gave me the most trouble in the whole game, no matter what party I had. They are awesome melee fighters... -3AC, 3d8 +3, and a heap of immunities. Nasty looking too... the first time I went through the Temple Ruins they scared the **** out of me!

Fri, 19th Oct '01, 11:37am	#8
Laksol Gems: 9/31 Latest gem: Iol Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 325 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 1,110 Level: 11 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 45.27% Daily Activity 3.31% Weekly Activity 1.89% Monthly Activity 2.46% Achievements	Ok, in my game, when nasty bone golem once spawned trys to bash my summoned skeleton warriors, the dialogue box just shows weapon ineffective...as the same with mummies and greater mummies.

Mon, 22nd Oct '01, 5:42pm	#9
icarusX Gems: 1/31 Latest gem: Turquoise Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Oshawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 7 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 437 Level: 7 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 55.87% Daily Activity 3.31% Weekly Activity 1.89% Monthly Activity 2.46% Achievements	In my game bone golems sucked huge, but Iron golems I can't beat. Actally of all the enemy's I've faced, including the dragons, Iron and other metal golems are the hardest. Obviously it's the weapons I am using. I think golems are weak to smashing or crushing? RD

Thu, 25th Oct '01, 10:42am	#10
Xuncle Gems: 3/31 Latest gem: Lynx Eye Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: South Africa Posts: 51 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 528 Level: 8 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 23.29% Daily Activity 3.31% Weekly Activity 1.89% Monthly Activity 2.46% Achievements	Iron type golems are more difficult - but here's a trick: find a handy door that the golem is too big to fit through and get a mage to cast Lower Resistance on it. Then you can have you warrior swing, your cleric heal the tank and your mage cast spells on him. Bone and Clay golems require blunt weapons to hit. To the original thread tho... The effective THAC0, AC etc of summoned skeletons depends on the level of the caster (it gets better quality and no chance of a second skeleton at 15th level). Check out the spell description for Animate Dead.

Thu, 25th Oct '01, 11:37am	#11
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