Thief Weapon Help

Takouhi Bladesinger · Thu, 22nd Aug '02, 4:34am

I was going to start a game as a half-elven female swashbuckler (Lawful Neutral) and have decided to specialize in two handed weapon style. My only question is: what weapon? I realize there aren't very many good katanas and scimitars, so would the one-handed sword be better?

I haven't had any experience with theives so I'm hoping someone will help me.

[ August 22, 2002, 06:07: Message edited by: Blackthorne TA ]

Laches · Thu, 22nd Aug '02, 5:04am

Hey, here's a thread:

http://www.sorcerers.net/cgi-bin/ult...=005261#000000

Also, while katanas may not be as numerous as some of the other weapon classes, there are some excellent ones and you can get one of the primo weapons in the game in this class pretty early.

There are also a couple of excellent scimitars.

Personally, I like having my thieves use shortswords and daggers. There are excellent options there as well.

I'm not going to list the options or go into any more detail simply because I'm not sure how familiar you already are with the game and wouldn't want to spoil anything.

Best bet: pick a weapon that you enjoy and would think would be fun to fit into the concept of your character and go with it.

Best of luck.

Gholam · Thu, 22nd Aug '02, 10:05am

Well, two-handed weapon style aint very good to use with katanas. I assume that you mean the "two-weapon" style. The only katana I can think of is the celestial fury, which is a +3 weapon.

Walker · Thu, 22nd Aug '02, 10:11am

I thought that the only two handed weapon (besides missile weapons) that a thief can use is a staff? Am I missing something?

Gholam · Thu, 22nd Aug '02, 10:14am

No Walker, u have not missed anything. I think what we have here is just a "print error". Two-handed weapons instead of Two Weapon style. That's all.

StressedE · Thu, 22nd Aug '02, 11:17am

Celestial fury +3? I strongly doubt that. It's +2 IIRC.

Ohw, it is +3? Hmm, I'm probably confused with beating kangaxx which won't work. Sheesh, I should have checked that before posting it.

[ August 22, 2002, 20:17: Message edited by: StressedE ]

Gholam · Thu, 22nd Aug '02, 12:46pm

k, my misstake. sry.

Errol · Thu, 22nd Aug '02, 1:02pm

Spell like that and you will be sorry.

Celestial Fury is a +3 weapon btw, and I'd advise you to go for either Katana's or Scimitars (they just look so awesome on a thief!).
The best weapons however lie on the Longswords and Axes profeciencies (you'd be surprised).
Other than that, go for what you like.

Gholam · Thu, 22nd Aug '02, 1:05pm

are there any good axes in the game? Like +4 or something? I don't want to wield stonefire, frostreaver or that goodie axe in cc. k?

Gothmog · Thu, 22nd Aug '02, 1:09pm

Celestial fury(+3

) in main hand and Belm +2 in off hand this way you will get 3 attacks per round + haste = 4 attacks

Did you say what a shame it is that Kivan went away? You can get him back with TDD

[ August 22, 2002, 13:12: Message edited by: Gothmog4230 ]

Mister Rogue · Thu, 22nd Aug '02, 9:43pm

I cant remember what its called, but theres a good +2 katana in Bodhi's maze, when you kill the mind flayer. It is good for dual-wielding with Celestial Fury (I did it with my elven assassin)

Modjahed · Thu, 22nd Aug '02, 10:42pm

All that counts is the number of attacks.

So make it Scimitar and Shortsword and you will have 4 attacks (5 with haste and 8 with Imp. Haste).

When you need to hit something that requires +3 - use Sh. Sw. of Backstabbing.

When you need to kill a Clay Golem use a +2 Staff Mace (found at Adventurers' Mart) - it will save you from unequipping the offhand.

Takouhi Bladesinger · Thu, 22nd Aug '02, 11:43pm

My error: I meant two weapon style...I am deeply sorry for this.

Gholam · Fri, 23rd Aug '02, 8:45am

Nothing to worry about, just tell us what you've decided.

StressedE · Fri, 23rd Aug '02, 11:13am

You probably mean malakar
*spoiler*:

Katana +2: Malakar
This sleek katana radiates magical energy when carried. The Malakar, or 'Dueling Steel', was used by a less-than-honorable samurai during duels against other samurai. As if of its own volition it will swoop down and deflect the slashing attacks of other weapons. It is perfect for the warrior concerned about defense as well as offense.

STATISTICS

THAC0: +2 bonus
AC: +2 bonus against slashing weapons
Damage: 1D10 +2
Damage type: slashing
Weight: 4
Speed Factor: 2
Proficiency Type: Katana
Type: 1-handed
Requires: 6 Strength
Not Usable By:
Druid
Cleric
Mage

Takouhi Bladesinger · Sat, 24th Aug '02, 5:49am

I'm going with *** in two weapon style and ** in longswords...I figure once I get more level-ups I can start putting more profeciencies in Katanas (just because they're cool!). Contradict me if I'm wrong (although it seems to me there are quite a few nice longswords in the game).

StressedE · Sat, 24th Aug '02, 9:34am

Excellent choice, you'll have more than enough weapons to choose from.

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Thu, 22nd Aug '02, 4:34am	#1
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Thu, 22nd Aug '02, 5:04am	#2
Laches Gems: 19/31 Latest gem: Aquamarine Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 1,128 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 3,077 Level: 17 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 94.11% Daily Activity 3.42% Weekly Activity 2.94% Monthly Activity 2.76% Achievements	Hey, here's a thread: http://www.sorcerers.net/cgi-bin/ult...=005261#000000 Also, while katanas may not be as numerous as some of the other weapon classes, there are some excellent ones and you can get one of the primo weapons in the game in this class pretty early. There are also a couple of excellent scimitars. Personally, I like having my thieves use shortswords and daggers. There are excellent options there as well. I'm not going to list the options or go into any more detail simply because I'm not sure how familiar you already are with the game and wouldn't want to spoil anything. Best bet: pick a weapon that you enjoy and would think would be fun to fit into the concept of your character and go with it. Best of luck.

Thu, 22nd Aug '02, 10:05am	#3
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Thu, 22nd Aug '02, 10:11am	#4
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Thu, 22nd Aug '02, 10:14am	#5
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Thu, 22nd Aug '02, 11:17am	#6
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Thu, 22nd Aug '02, 12:46pm	#7
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Thu, 22nd Aug '02, 1:02pm	#8
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Thu, 22nd Aug '02, 1:05pm	#9
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Thu, 22nd Aug '02, 1:09pm	#10
Gothmog SPS Account Holder Man, a curious beast indeed! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: That big Forest - Slovenia Posts: 1,829 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 4,399 Level: 20 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 96.41% Daily Activity 3.42% Weekly Activity 2.94% Monthly Activity 4.97% Achievements	Celestial fury(+3 ) in main hand and Belm +2 in off hand this way you will get 3 attacks per round + haste = 4 attacks Did you say what a shame it is that Kivan went away? You can get him back with TDD [ August 22, 2002, 13:12: Message edited by: Gothmog4230 ]

Thu, 22nd Aug '02, 9:43pm	#11
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Thu, 22nd Aug '02, 10:42pm	#12
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Thu, 22nd Aug '02, 11:43pm	#13
Takouhi Bladesinger Gems: 2/31 Latest gem: Fire Agate Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Not quite sure yet... Posts: 28 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 481 Level: 7 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 90.24% Daily Activity 3.42% Weekly Activity 2.94% Monthly Activity 2.76% Achievements	My error: I meant two weapon style...I am deeply sorry for this.

Fri, 23rd Aug '02, 8:45am	#14
Gholam Gems: 5/31 Latest gem: Andar Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Forgotten Realms Posts: 106 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 614 Level: 8 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 81.14% Daily Activity 3.42% Weekly Activity 2.94% Monthly Activity 2.76% Achievements	Nothing to worry about, just tell us what you've decided.

Fri, 23rd Aug '02, 11:13am	#15
StressedE Gems: 15/31 Latest gem: Waterstar Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 773 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 2,086 Level: 15 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 13.36% Daily Activity 3.42% Weekly Activity 2.94% Monthly Activity 2.76% Achievements	You probably mean malakar spoiler: Katana +2: Malakar This sleek katana radiates magical energy when carried. The Malakar, or 'Dueling Steel', was used by a less-than-honorable samurai during duels against other samurai. As if of its own volition it will swoop down and deflect the slashing attacks of other weapons. It is perfect for the warrior concerned about defense as well as offense. STATISTICS THAC0: +2 bonus AC: +2 bonus against slashing weapons Damage: 1D10 +2 Damage type: slashing Weight: 4 Speed Factor: 2 Proficiency Type: Katana Type: 1-handed Requires: 6 Strength Not Usable By: Druid Cleric Mage

Sat, 24th Aug '02, 5:49am	#16
Takouhi Bladesinger Gems: 2/31 Latest gem: Fire Agate Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Not quite sure yet... Posts: 28 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 481 Level: 7 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 90.24% Daily Activity 3.42% Weekly Activity 2.94% Monthly Activity 2.76% Achievements	I'm going with * in two weapon style and in longswords...I figure once I get more level-ups I can start putting more profeciencies in Katanas (just because they're cool!). Contradict me if I'm wrong (although it seems to me there are quite a few nice longswords in the game).

Sat, 24th Aug '02, 9:34am	#17
StressedE Gems: 15/31 Latest gem: Waterstar Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 773 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 2,086 Level: 15 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 13.36% Daily Activity 3.42% Weekly Activity 2.94% Monthly Activity 2.76% Achievements	Excellent choice, you'll have more than enough weapons to choose from.