Boots of Speed - can you slow them down?

Maldir · Wed, 11th Jul '01, 3:54pm

The Boots of Speed are very useful, but does anyone know a way to stop the person wearing them rushing straight off in front of the party? It's quite annoying to have one member of your group out of sight of the rest of the party and run into a group of enemies.

Ragusa · Wed, 11th Jul '01, 4:04pm

I would recommend turning *off* the party AI (the lantern in the lower right corner of the screeen) and disabling the character script from "default" (or whatever you choose) to "none". This should help - then your party shouldn't do anything you don't order it to do.

[This message has been edited by Ragusa (edited July 11, 2001).]

Lord Praetor Munir · Wed, 11th Jul '01, 4:25pm

Ragusa, I think he meant to address the problem of having one of your characters meet the enemy alone while the rest of your party is trying to keep up with him. I think the only way is to get your character to take off the boots although I'm not sure if you can take off your boots while in combat.

Another way is to cast a slow spell on that character. Or maybe to make your character encumbered a little.

Extremist · Wed, 11th Jul '01, 4:45pm

It is not annoying - it is the permanent effect of those boots.

If you can't live with it, sell them!

Ragusa · Wed, 11th Jul '01, 4:47pm

I thought he was talking about a char running away to attack uncontrollably .... like my halfling cavalier did (I gave him the fighter1 script - perfect for barbarians and berserkers as well

) .... that's AI related. So if you want to use the boots of speed to your full advantage (means: not having a char breaking out of line) - turn off the AI. So you can give him the advantage of good speed while retaining control. They are too valuable to be stored in the inventory.

[This message has been edited by Ragusa (edited July 11, 2001).]

Maldir · Wed, 11th Jul '01, 4:50pm

Ragusa, I don't think the problem is one of party AI, it's when I select my group to move a long way over a screen, and the one with Boots of Speed runs off at twice the pace of the others. Now, if anyone could tell me a way to make the party stay in formation while they move...
Maybe I'll have to take them off, but they're too useful in combat to sell.

Ragusa · Wed, 11th Jul '01, 5:22pm

Oh, that's your problem ... well then Lord Praetor is right, taking them off is the only way to avoid it.

Wed, 11th Jul '01, 5:52pm

(A bit of topic)
Does the boots of speed also increase your attack speed or only your movement?

Bowie · Wed, 11th Jul '01, 7:03pm

Zaragoth- Only your movement, I believe.

Also, Maldir, instead of taking the boots on and off, you could put a ring of free action on the character, as the ring disables the boots. But this solution is just as pointless as the first one, IMO.

Ragusa · Wed, 11th Jul '01, 8:01pm

The boots of speed *do not* increase the number of attacks. It just looks like that. The animation uses the haste/ oil of speed spell graphics, so your char seems to hit faster while your number of attacks is in fact unchanged.

Silvershade · Wed, 11th Jul '01, 8:24pm

Are you really sure that the boots of speed don't give an extra attack per round, Ragusa? I thought that if you are wearing them they give the seem advantages as a haste spell which gives one extra attack per round.

ps: The Ring of Free Action does not disable the Boots of Speed (probably a bug).

Jander Sunstar · Wed, 11th Jul '01, 8:58pm

well, cast a haste spell to the rest so everyone will move at the same speed

, or just keep track of the progression by moving a bit and waiting...

Ragusa · Wed, 11th Jul '01, 9:18pm

The problem with the haste spell is, that it, unlike the boots of speed and the oil of speed, will make your party tired soon after the spell effect wears off so you need to rest to stop them mourning.

TIN_MAN · Thu, 12th Jul '01, 1:23pm

You guys are all wrong!

The boots of speed indeed increases the attack rate; but only for warriors(fighter, ranger, paladin) and only after level 13!

I don't know why is that, but Minsc gained +1/2 attack per round when using the boots of speed, so did my favorite fighter Mazzy.

Lord Praetor Munir · Thu, 12th Jul '01, 3:12pm

on that fact.. i think my Minsc did seem to get more attacks than my F/M/T... ill have to reload my Final save on that and check that one out.. but i think ur probably right...

Auger · Thu, 12th Jul '01, 3:55pm

Not that I would do this, but your could always ShadowKeep your way to your entire party having boots of speed, could you not?

Extremist · Thu, 12th Jul '01, 5:21pm

No you couldn't. Or you could but you'll keep silent about it.

Otherwise, that will have this consequence:
If you get into a problem and need my answer - you can forget about it.

In case of that utility I'm a damned mad racist!

/nick ShadowKeeper_Buster

Silvershade · Thu, 12th Jul '01, 6:13pm

Extremist, did you not forget a

smiley in your post?

Auger · Thu, 12th Jul '01, 6:49pm

Extremist - you picked your name very well. I assume "Fanatic" was already taken (JK). Personally, I do not care if people cheat, although I wouldn't do it (I think). The only real problem I will have with it is if it messes up the import to NWN, where it could affect my gaming experience. From what I read, however, that shouldn't be a problem (I know, a better post for the NWN forum, although it does apply somewhat here).

Extremist · Thu, 12th Jul '01, 11:38pm

*Giggle*

No, no, the post is on it's proper place - I mean: to mention an util like that in possibly the next generation of RPGs forum...

MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Capstone · Thu, 12th Jul '01, 11:46pm

Small moves, Ellie, small moves...

Don't walk to the other side of the screen all at once; have your speedy char wait for the others. Problem solved.

Incidentally, the boots provide NO attack bonus. The 1/2 attack you gained at level 13 is a normal levelup for all fighter types.

Maldir · Fri, 13th Jul '01, 9:54am

I could use SK if I had it, but I haven't and I don't want it. I've used CLUAConsole to move on Jaheira's romance (I got the bug fix so late that the game was dragging on anyway); I've also experimented with some of the easter eggs, but not in the game I was playing. I'd rather do it with the tools provided in game (yes, that does mean reloading once or twice

).
So - small steps inside dungeons, take off the boots outdoors where you don't want to be minutely controlling your party.

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Wed, 11th Jul '01, 3:54pm	#1
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Wed, 11th Jul '01, 4:04pm	#2
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Wed, 11th Jul '01, 4:25pm	#3
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Wed, 11th Jul '01, 4:45pm	#4
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Wed, 11th Jul '01, 4:47pm	#5
Ragusa Eternal Halfling Paladin Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: ... this world, where reality beats satire ... Posts: 10,131 Like: 5 Liked 17 Times in 12 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 25,505 Level: 43 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 92.66% Daily Activity 3.42% Weekly Activity 2.94% Monthly Activity 2.76% Achievements	I thought he was talking about a char running away to attack uncontrollably .... like my halfling cavalier did (I gave him the fighter1 script - perfect for barbarians and berserkers as well ) .... that's AI related. So if you want to use the boots of speed to your full advantage (means: not having a char breaking out of line) - turn off the AI. So you can give him the advantage of good speed while retaining control. They are too valuable to be stored in the inventory. [This message has been edited by Ragusa (edited July 11, 2001).]

Wed, 11th Jul '01, 4:50pm	#6
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Wed, 11th Jul '01, 5:22pm	#7
Ragusa Eternal Halfling Paladin Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: ... this world, where reality beats satire ... Posts: 10,131 Like: 5 Liked 17 Times in 12 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 25,505 Level: 43 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 92.66% Daily Activity 3.42% Weekly Activity 2.94% Monthly Activity 2.76% Achievements	Oh, that's your problem ... well then Lord Praetor is right, taking them off is the only way to avoid it.

Wed, 11th Jul '01, 5:52pm	#8
Zaragoth Guest Posts: n/a vBActivity - Stats XP: 0 Level: 1 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 0% Daily Activity 0% Weekly Activity 0% Monthly Activity 0%	(A bit of topic) Does the boots of speed also increase your attack speed or only your movement?

Wed, 11th Jul '01, 7:03pm	#9
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Wed, 11th Jul '01, 8:01pm	#10
Ragusa Eternal Halfling Paladin Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: ... this world, where reality beats satire ... Posts: 10,131 Like: 5 Liked 17 Times in 12 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 25,505 Level: 43 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 92.66% Daily Activity 3.42% Weekly Activity 2.94% Monthly Activity 2.76% Achievements	The boots of speed do not increase the number of attacks. It just looks like that. The animation uses the haste/ oil of speed spell graphics, so your char seems to hit faster while your number of attacks is in fact unchanged.

Wed, 11th Jul '01, 8:24pm	#11
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Wed, 11th Jul '01, 8:58pm	#12
Jander Sunstar Gems: 2/31 Latest gem: Fire Agate Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 47 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 538 Level: 8 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 30.13% Daily Activity 3.42% Weekly Activity 2.94% Monthly Activity 2.76% Achievements	well, cast a haste spell to the rest so everyone will move at the same speed , or just keep track of the progression by moving a bit and waiting...

Wed, 11th Jul '01, 9:18pm	#13
Ragusa Eternal Halfling Paladin Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: ... this world, where reality beats satire ... Posts: 10,131 Like: 5 Liked 17 Times in 12 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 25,505 Level: 43 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 92.66% Daily Activity 3.42% Weekly Activity 2.94% Monthly Activity 2.76% Achievements	The problem with the haste spell is, that it, unlike the boots of speed and the oil of speed, will make your party tired soon after the spell effect wears off so you need to rest to stop them mourning.

Thu, 12th Jul '01, 1:23pm	#14
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Thu, 12th Jul '01, 3:12pm	#15
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Thu, 12th Jul '01, 3:55pm	#16
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Thu, 12th Jul '01, 5:21pm	#17
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Thu, 12th Jul '01, 6:13pm	#18
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Thu, 12th Jul '01, 6:49pm	#19
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Thu, 12th Jul '01, 11:38pm	#20
Extremist Gems: 31/31 Latest gem: Rogue Stone Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Croatia Posts: 4,366 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 9,532 Level: 29 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 22.3% Daily Activity 3.42% Weekly Activity 2.94% Monthly Activity 2.76% Achievements	Giggle No, no, the post is on it's proper place - I mean: to mention an util like that in possibly the next generation of RPGs forum... MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Thu, 12th Jul '01, 11:46pm	#21
Capstone Gems: 16/31 Latest gem: Shandon Join Date: May 2001 Location: USA Posts: 887 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 2,314 Level: 15 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 83.7% Daily Activity 3.42% Weekly Activity 2.94% Monthly Activity 2.76% Achievements	Small moves, Ellie, small moves... Don't walk to the other side of the screen all at once; have your speedy char wait for the others. Problem solved. Incidentally, the boots provide NO attack bonus. The 1/2 attack you gained at level 13 is a normal levelup for all fighter types.

Fri, 13th Jul '01, 9:54am	#22
Maldir Gems: 11/31 Latest gem: Bloodstone Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Chester, UK Posts: 433 Like: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts vBActivity - Stats XP: 1,368 Level: 12 vBActivity - Bars Level Completion: 56.2% Daily Activity 3.42% Weekly Activity 2.94% Monthly Activity 2.76% Achievements	I could use SK if I had it, but I haven't and I don't want it. I've used CLUAConsole to move on Jaheira's romance (I got the bug fix so late that the game was dragging on anyway); I've also experimented with some of the easter eggs, but not in the game I was playing. I'd rather do it with the tools provided in game (yes, that does mean reloading once or twice ). So - small steps inside dungeons, take off the boots outdoors where you don't want to be minutely controlling your party.