Max damage in backstabbing?

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What's the maximum damage anyone has done in backstabbing? I've heard that some guy (Tobbin, from another forum) managed to score 230++ when he backstabbed twice using a dual-classed thief/fighter. Theoretically, if your PC dual-wields, it should be possible, but so far, nobody has been able to confirm this.
One more thing, what wpn proficiency styles/types should you specialise in, and to what extent in order to max out the damage?

 

Well, I would have to see more 'details' for the 230pts myself. It could be possible, dunno. It would take a lot of factors, X4/X5 backstabbing, high Weapon Specialization, Percentile or enhanced strenth, Weapon used, Critical or normal hit, etc. Amongst a few other things.

I've dealt about 50-60pts once or twice in IWD but... my next time through BG2 I'm playing a Thief. I suppose I'll test a few things along the way to see how much of a 'potent/lethal' backstabb I can develop!

Also as far as weapons specialties? I know most don't work with Short Swords...

It's interesting however eveytime you beat a 'master' theif or assassin (BG1,BG2,IWD) they ALL have... yep, shortswords. I like the speed factor of them and thus far there are +3 & +4 shortswords found in BG2. That's what I'll specialize in when I play my Thief or Assassin.

[This message has been edited by Draco Vlasavius (edited October 29, 2000).]

 

Blackthorne... 'right on the money'!!! I actually keep the same exact short swords you mentioned in my weapon slots (although a MONK, -actually when I played my fighter as well)! I use my *fists* as a MONK but the mirror image was a mega bonus for the important battles. I agree that there are some very helpful short swords (and daggers, like the +3 2d4 Throwing dagger of Fire w/SF of 1 -that appears to give a +1 attack...not mentioned in the description) in the game. I am looking forward to playing a Thief or Assassin with a focus on these items.

I still haven't decided if i'm going to dual or multi-class yet but I'll make that choice soon enough. Ahhh-hum, the Sorc's.net doesn't recommend shortswords and the like. But I'm... me... just as 'Minsc is Minsc is Minsc'.

 

Well, if you have the XP cap removed, be a Kensai then dual class to a thief. If you have a high enough level of kensai before dual classing, it's pretty awsome when you backstab for 5x damage and critical.

 

Well, I now believe that it could be possible for a 230+ damage blow from a backstabb. I just started my Thief (actually Fighter first then Dualed over to Thief -Human option) and he was able to deliver a 106pt backstabb off of a critical blow w/4X multiplier. Using one 'short sword'. Perhaps down the road my thief will dual wield and I'll see how that works. Once he gets up in levels and the 5X multiplier kick's in along with better weaponry I'll see just what my Thief can do!

 

yo Draco, i am currently going thru with a Fighter/Thief that i started as a fighter. took him up to level 8 and dualed to a thief. i spent 3 Prof. slots on long swords and 3 on Two Weapon Style. obviously i have him dual wielding long swords. pretty bad ass if i do say so myself. not sure if this is a bug, but when i leveled as a thief and recieved a Prof. point to spend, i was able to put it towards longswords. so know my F/T has 4 slots in Long Swords.

my backstabbing damage isn't as impressive, only 55, 56 with x4 modifier, but i am sure with a critical hit i could do much more.

obviously only the 1st attack counts as a backstab when dual-weilding, but its still sweet when a backstab doesn't kill a foe, your right there to dish out even more damage.

 

Wingfoot, I noticed 'the thing' with the proficiency points. So (I know I'll get some flak for this) I spent 5pts in Short Swords. This gave me the extra +3 to hit and the extra +5 for damage, as well as the Speed Factor benefits (-3?) and the extra attacks (+2attks) that come with Grand Mastery (only for those that have used the BG2 Weapon Proficiency patch).

I actually only made my Thief a Fighter first to get a few more proficiency points and to get percentile strength. -It paid off, after numerous attempts I got an 18/99!
So with the Srength and the Grand Mastery he's getting numerous attacks that are accurate and damage dealing!

Now that I know a secondary weapon wont get the backstabb muliplier I'll only dual wield for the extra attack for a total of 4 attacks.

BTW, I'm investing a fair amount of points into Detect Illusion just to see how it handles Illusions, Mirror Images, Secret Doors (perhaps find door's no one else has?...) etc., and eventually -the Mislead spell. I'll post anything that turns up. Already it destroyed several of the illusions in the Circus Tent quest.

 

draco: get detect illusions up to 70% or more and and your thief will be seeing through most mage spells, very useful later in the game when all mages use mislead, dim door, and mirror image.

p.s. if you get the guild post if you get any guild quests, i got 2 right away then nothing for the rest of the game.

 

I've been a fan of the Thieving class for a while and was aware of the ability to find secret doors 'when' (and only when) detecting for traps. But as is the case most only detect for traps while in dugeons. I hope to find more doors and passages just by 'walking' around doing 'business' as usual. -At least I hope to find somethings not uncovered as of yet. I'll post anything that comes up of course.

I dont know what made Interplay 'dream' up the Weapon Specialization that is offered in BG2. It's useless. It's not AD&D spec's (I found the spec details on another board). Those spec's are found in BG1/TOSC & IWD. Or perhaps they just 'overlooked' the error and it found it's way into the public release. Nevertheless the patch does correct this to the AD&D spec's.
Which are:

Pts./ +THAC0/ +Dam/ #ofAttks/rnd
1/ 0/ 0/ #1
2/ 1/ 2/ #3/2
3/ 3/ 3/ #3/2
4/ 3/ 4/ #3/2 (& -1 SF)
5/ 3/ 5/ #2 (& -3 SF)

Interesting, some opponents seem to have their weapons specialization coded correctly to whoop up on our parties!

I'll also post any addtional quests that I stumble into.

[This message has been edited by Draco Vlasavius (edited November 01, 2000).]

 

Well upon closer examination, I see the AI script that allows thieves to always be 'detecting for traps'. But I can't... I have my AI script for 'jumpin outta shadows and backstabbing some hapless creature' -and I'm starting to enjoy it! Good thing I made my Thief Lawful Evil. Being Lawful Evil also allows my Thief to don that wonderous 'Human Flesh' armor -eewwww, sick! eewwww. That whole quest is definitely the darkest one in the game, but they made that armor so 'awesome' my Thief has gotta have it.

As mentioned in my last post, I don't know what the game developers were thinking with Specializations. Actually BG2 is hybrid AD&D edition 1, some of 2, some of 3 and 'side effects from whatever drug of the day they were using'. Yes I can tell you like ribbin me about it but Weap Spec is a fundamental AD&D LAW. (well to me it is) It's like "Dont touch it!! Stop touching it!! What are you doing? Leave it alone!! "

But, I post all kinds of things that folks can 'target' me on! Keeps me on my toes. And yes I recall that post of "some crazy lich suddenly attacking you"... hunched down, wagging his head and dancing his 'dance of death'. Do the "LICH".

 

patch?

 

oh yeah, i saw that. thanks.

 

finally, i landed a good backstab that i can post about. 114 damage on a critical hit with a modifier of x5. my dualed F/T was wielding a long sword +2, cant remember which sword off hand. the bitch of it is the fact that i landed this devistating backstab on a kobold in the sewers. what a waste of a good backstab.