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Viconia's evil speech

Discussion in 'BG2: Shadows of Amn (Classic)' started by zaknafein, Nov 6, 2001.

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  1. zaknafein Guest

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    useing a drow to common dictionary i was able to translate her "evil speech" as the weirdoes put it. she said something like "nau oloth plynn d'jal" which translates to "no darkness take" and the dictionary didnt have j'jal in it but i would realy like to find out. i could probably guess but it would be nice to know
     
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    [​IMG] Lol, there's actually a "drow" dictionary! :lol:
     
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    please enlighten us as to the whereabouts of this 'drow dictionary'
     
    Spudsquisher, Nov 6, 2001
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  4. Demonater351 Guest

    Drow babble probably means nothing, just meaningless syllables strung together to sound cool. D&D does that I noticed. If you noticed, the words spell-casters use to cast spells is Latin, and bad Latin at that. Huh, Latin in an "alternate world"? The developers just picked it because it sounds cool and mystical. These people aren't philologists, come on...
     
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    remember that the Elven language doesn't have the same grammar as English, more like German.
    it would probably be more like:
    Take no darkness

    Though the words might allude you, I haven't studied the drow speach that closely, only look over it briefly
     
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    Remember also that the "Elvish" language most people talk about was invented by Tolkien, who actually *was* a philologist. Tolkien's Elvish is probably the best fantasy conlang ever, and certainly the gold standard among enthusiasts of constructed languages.

    "Deep Drow" was invented piecemeal by several different second-rate fantasy hack writers, who have no concept of linguistics beyond "Hey, if I put lots of extra apostrophes in I bet it'd look cool."

    Demonater's absolutely right, it's just like the bad Latin they use for spellcasting. It's stupid, but it's pretty easy to suspend your disbelief. Especially since Viconia's not the one named Jae'llat or something equally lame.

    [This message has been edited by tjekanefir (edited November 06, 2001).]
     
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  7. jesper898 Guest

    i think it means *Darkness take you*
    i read that in a drow dictionary
     
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    [​IMG] The phrase was "Nau! Oloth plynn d'jal!".
    Others that appear are "Oloth plynn dos!" and "Oloth plynn nina!"

    • "Nau" is "no".
    • "Oloth plynn" translates literally into "Darkness take".
    • "dos" is "you".
    • "nina" is "them".
    Now for "d'jal". That's a bit tougher and I'm not sure whether whoever wrote it made a mistake or not. "jal" means "all". The "d'" before is short for "del", which is "of". You can shorten "del" to either "d'" or "de'".

    So in this instance the translation would be "No! Darkness take of all!". But that sounds rather less likely than "No! Darkness take all!" which I presume is what was the intention.

    P.S.
    tjekanefir is wrong. It's a bit more advanced than just simple words with one meaning and no rules. Salvatore's Drow has all the basic rules you need to start with. Grammar is defined for the basic interaction and there are plenty words to go with it.

    Of course it's not even close to anything Tolkien came up with, but it's not pure BS as some would have you believe either.

    [This message has been edited by Taluntain (edited November 06, 2001).]
     
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    [​IMG] So Tal, any chance you're drow yourself?
    Ok, Keldorn lovers, get 'im!
    :p :p
     
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    Extremist, L'elamshin d'lil Ilythiiri zhah ulu har'luth jal.

    That's all. ;)
     
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    [​IMG] And I thought it was weird that a klingon dictionary exsist. :borg:
     
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    "nau oloth plynn d'jal" translates to:
    I need a beer, and some hot sex.

    Dude, hook her up!
     
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  13. Demonater351 Guest

    In rsponse to the "elvish language" that everybody talks about, I can guaran-dang-tee that Tolkien's "Elvish" and the "Elvish" of, oh let's say, some Forgotten Realms writer like Salvatore, is not the same. Anyone using Tolkien's "Elvish" and not asking permission and paying royalties to the Tolkien estate is guilty of plagiarism; I seriously doubt a company will want to pay money for the privilege of using a invented, set language in their books when their writers can easily just make up some grammatically correct gibberish and call it "Elvish".

    And as a sidenote, Tolkien may have been a philologist, but even he had to borrow some things from other languages. The biggest example: Dwarven runes, ya know, those ones that are all blocky and sharp corners in the chart at the back of the third book? Those are actually, almost copied angle for angle, runes used by the Vikings before the 10th century. How do I know? I've saw a picture of a Viking runestone, noticed the writing on it, and saw that they are almost identical to Tolkien's Dwarven runes. Amazing what one does learn sometimes, huh?
     
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  14. zaknafein Guest

    wicked im a kobold. any way if someone hasnt said this already just look up drow in exite and its there
     
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    On a side note, Jae'llat (the way it's pronounced of course)is an arabic (maybe farsi or even turkish)word meaning executioner.
     
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    Tolkiens runes are thesame ones that were used by Vikings a long time ago, he borrowed them, so did the people that made the Ultima series. Then they just made them into words with meaning (C=Corp=Death, M=Mani=Life). THey may vary from stroy teller to storyteller; but they are basicly thesame.
     
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    I could go into detail about the inconsistencies, omissions, and glaring linguistic errors in the Forgotten Realms drow books and characters' names; however, that would be contradicting Taluntain about something, which would presumably get me disciplined again, so I'll refrain. (-:

    [This message has been edited by tjekanefir (edited November 08, 2001).]
     
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  18. creudzfeldt-jakob Guest

    [​IMG] Got any idea what 'Vith' means?
    Viconia's critical hit cry is 'Vith'os!'
    Her critical miss cry is 'Vith'ir!'

    Apparently 'Vith'os' is an equivalent of 'Yeah!', while 'Vith'ir' is an equivalent of 'Damn!'.

    Also, i think that Viconia says 'Vith'ir! Such power I have not seen!' when the PC transforms in Spellhold.
     
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    Hmm... how about:
    Hell yeah!
    Hell no!

    ¿?
     
    StressedE, Nov 8, 2001
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    [​IMG] tjekanefir, I never said it was perfect. I never said it came even close to that. (It hardly could since no one went out of their way to make it into something that could potentially be used as a real language, like Tolkien did.) I just said it isn't utter BS, which was pretty much what you implied.

    P.S. Wise ass comments will get you disciplined faster. If you don't have anything to add don't just post to contradict me on something I never said. Thanks.

    Now for the lessons:

    "Vith" means to perform sexual intercourse (slang word) ;)

    We've learned from before that "dos", or "'os" means "you".

    So - vith'os! -> f*** you! :D

    And vith'ir! (where 'ir is short for "tir" which means off) -> f*** off!

    I think they sound familiar enough that you'll guess what the asterisks are for. :heh:
     
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